*** Amagosa (amagosa@dyn01-ts1.tetra.net) has joined channel #perl Anyway....I'm trying to get Data-Dumper installed now. What's xsu bpp? I don't know which install process to use, because I don't know what xsub pp is. Do I use that? *** overdoze (vipul@shell2.ba.best.com) has joined channel #perl for data::dumper, you should only need to perl Makefile.pl; make; mak etest; make install. er, "make test". wink: /(\S+)@(\S+)/ I have a lame question because I'm too lazy to read all the documenta tion, is there a continue flow control function and is it used just like contin ue(condition); $1 would be the login name $1@$2 would be the address And the GECOS field info is.... ;) *** borys has kicked Amagosa from channel #perl [too lazy to answer] *** Amagosa (amagosa@dyn01-ts1.tetra.net) has joined channel #perl what reg-ex would i need to do: if $str contains a-zA-Z0-9 _ . @ do { } Merlinus: he is trying to parse: Dion Almaer and dion@foo.com (Dion Almaer) etc I assume Data Dumper is useful for other things....and it's not ar guing about installing on my system, so I'll install it. Amagosa: depending on what you are really asking you want "next if (condition); " Humm... and another match like /(\(<)*(\w\s\-\_)+(\(>)*/ Goko: if ($str =~ /[\w\.\@]/) { ... } would get you the real name. *** overdoze (vipul@shell2.ba.best.com) has left channel #perl What the heck is SNPP? SNPP simple network paging protocol * gbacon grins at gnat's p5p post simple network management protocol oops :) I use it with my pager and Hylafax Arroz: close but no cigar :-) Hmmm...I'm guessing since I didn'g know what it was (I thought "di d they get SNMP wrong?") then I probably don't have any SNPP servers. Right? haven't used the perl module yet but I am looking forward to doin g so :) if you don't have a pager, then you don't need it. *** Signoff: womble (~wambold@chemistry.mps.ohio-state.edu) has left IRC [Ping timeout] SNPP is for talking to SkyTel's modems merlinus: we use rpage.pl :) :) Which manual page has stuff on flow control, I think I need to read t his. haven't seen it :) I just walk outside at night, raise my fist to the sky, and curse. we use hylafax, which does faxing as well as paging rpage.pl -m 'chilly is a lamer' -u btoneill :) *** Signoff: Goko (unknown@206.83.170.249) has left IRC [Ping timeout: 240 seco nds] we use VSI*FAX yah sounds like hylafax Amagosa: stty does vsifax cost $$? yup hylafax is free corporate broadcast fax system PerlJam? *** Exkalibur (~xcaliber@206.158.235.10) has left channel #perl Amagosa? it's free? wow :) yah, has all the features of the $$ ones :) hylafax is what used to be called Flexfax. there's even a Linux RPM for it ;) Amagosa was the star that exploded in Star Trek: Generations Back then it was *quite* lame. brit doesn't use software that doesn't cost money :) heh * bRiT uses cisco routing software, solaris, ... what an idiot i am :) borys: then he's on the wrong channel ;-) we use qpage, switching to hylafax soon pj: no, he's waiting for the new thing from ora :) Pay for software? Eugh! This copy of nt is even free. free a.k.a. illegal :) some people got busted on irc recently... Novell ppl were on irc pretendin to be warez traders :) gave out a site... people leached.. BOOM No free a.k.a. Microsoft Developer Seminar, 8 hours of listening to s ome annoying woman and a couple other people talk about how good NT is. Amag: i went to one of them.... i walked out after they said... <|0BaseT> speaking of illegal software, there was this troll on alt.2600 who called him self the "warez regulater"... 'We are using Netscape on this unix box as we won't JUST show IE ...' and i shouted back 'you dont HAVE IE for unix' hehehe in which the M$ sales guy blushed :) |0BaseT like your nick, I have a limbo eggdrop named TenBaseT Why is everyone dropping eggs? actually N$ is talking about doing IE for unix err M$ :) Merlin: they'll never do it that means they'd have to acknowledge that Linux exists m$ even. Think they'll make a whole wm, just a browser, or nothing a t all? they might if Linux keeps growing. which is will... that have said that for a long time Merlinus c/is/it they said they would have a unix version out lasat summer Any procmail experts wanna help me out? Che: not. They'll only have to partner with Sun/HP/SGI yah it might be a while... PJ: and lose the whole Linux market? *snicker* hehehe is there a function that converts decmial into binary? pack Che: They haven't realized what they are missing yet. (I, for one , think this is a good thing) *** dtsys (~dtsys@shell2.bayarea.net) has joined channel #perl *** Signoff: dtsys (~dtsys@shell2.bayarea.net) has left IRC [Leaving] . *** Goko (unknown@206.83.170.249) has joined channel #perl *** Signoff: Che_Fox (che@star9.outside.imsa.edu) has left IRC [Do not forget t o *enjoy* the *sauce*!] how can i do if $var contains a char besides "." { } ? i was thinking.. if ($var !~ /\./) { that didnt do it though Merlinus: u got Solaris 2.6 yet? Okay, I was wanting to do while() { continue($password == ""); we got beta 2.6 yah whatever } nothing in production is running 2.6 yet though But if there is no continue in perl, which I was afraid of, what is t he best way to do this? Merlyn: 2.6 is out in full there is "next" oh? didn't realize, cool! yah :) merlinus... how can i do if $var contains a char besides "." { } ? we are waitin for it to come in the mail :) amagosa: `next' in perl is just like `continue' in C. you just want it to have a "." in it? only? Someone has called me for linux technicial support... :( bbl brit: way cool. have you seen the feature list for 2.6? mer: see i want to check $var to see that it o nly contains a few cha racters.. a-zA-Z0-9 _ . So I could do while () { next(condition); whatever; commands; h ere; } so you do want more than just dots? And if condition was true it would just skip to the next while yes? mer: forget what i said at first... i was trying to acomplish what i just wrote in a idiotic way if ($var =~ /^[\w\.]+$/) { ... } merlinus: yah :) Java in the kernel ;) brit: yah :) and NIS returns ;) what the heck does PERLIO_IS_STDIO do? better print software, too. thank you NIS returns? merlinus.. sure goko yep, yp is back *** Jeckyll (jeckyll@port07.dial.brad.ac.uk) has joined channel #perl instead of NIS+? the installtool is a java app I think I'm having an identity crisis. no NIS+ is still there, just NIS is back. you used to have to ge t an NIS pkg and install it if you wanted an NIS master i don't wnat NIS :/ I just got off the phone with some big network guy who wants to hi re me. dtmail supports IMAO even err IMAP heh yah but a lot of people haven't switched to NIS+ yet I talked with him awhile and then told him that "frankly, this sou nds a little overwhelming. I'm not sure I'm qualified." And his response was that this is a small town, he's heard about me, and from talking to me he says I have 99% more experience than anyone else he's been talking to. * bRiT see's lots of CERTs for IMAP sees too He also told me not to say what I just said in the interview with the next higher-up guy he's sending me to. Wink: Congratulate yourself and go for it. But he's still interested. wink: cool Winkola: so when do you start? ChipDude: I'm gonna go for it, but it's just so strange. I feel s o incompetent....but I keep hearing stuff like what he said. PJ: He told me to call his boss, and he's going to call him, too, and he wants to get me in for an interview ASAP. *** d7^ (~d7@ip75.trenton.nj.pub-ip.psi.net) has joined channel #perl there is a shortage of talent out there, if you've got a vague id ea oif what is going on and you are willing to learn, that is all it takes. * PerlJam bashes Winkola on the head for being so pessimistic about his abilit ies It's for a network that covers at least 10 cities, most in Califor nia, and one in Florida. They want someone to build a frame-relay WAN. PJ: You guys have seen me here for a long time. You know I'm not all that good. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/solaris/versions/solaris/2.6.html I *want* to learn, but I keep making stupid mistakes. Anyway...enough of THAT part. It's just puzzling to me. thats how you learn :) I'm going to go for the interview. *** localhost (frogger@bbnet.net) has joined channel #perl If nothing else, I have to get out of this current job. Before my assistant shoves me out the door. (He's out to lunch with MY boss, for the second day in a row.) Wink: mistakes are something we learn from or die. PJ: I know. But I have this strange fear of death. ;) *** d7^ (~d7@ip75.trenton.nj.pub-ip.psi.net) has left channel #perl I don't know where it comes from, except for perhaps living on the edge for so long. *** d7^ (~d7@ip75.trenton.nj.pub-ip.psi.net) has joined channel #perl Anyone here have a perl IRC bot handy (I need one with simple us er levels)? Hey! I almost have these three modules installed. But what's this mean? Checking for Net::SMTP...Bad free() ignored at /usr/local/lib/perl 5/i386-bsdos/5 .004/DynaLoader.pm line 155. Should I be worried about that? I wish someone would call me up and offer me a job either locally or something I can do over the Net Doesn't that mean Dynaloader isn't properly destroying something t hat isn't needed anymore? something = object PJ: What's funny was the part where he told me that he'd already r ecommended me (and today was my first contact with him) OVER some network admin who was coming in from Sacramento. I said I was surprised, since he didn't know me. He said this is a small town, and people's reputations get around. I'd like to have a job that i could do remotely, via satellite, a nd then live on a boat in the carribean. It's not all that small....about 400,000 people....but it's a kind of a weird town. Like living in a small hick town, but it's really big. what town? Fresno ohhhh Yeah. * Winkola winks. never been there, but it fits my image of it :) big hick town :) *** tmtowtdi (tmtowtdi@PM104.CP.Duluth.MN.US) has joined channel #perl *** webabyss (webmaster@usr7-03.som.nj.webspan.net) has joined channel #perl Well, I hope this bad free() thing isn't critical. *** FracMak (MaGStaff@th-1-16.patriot.net) has joined channel #perl *** Signoff: Goko (unknown@206.83.170.249) has left IRC [Leaving] anyone seen a perl IRC bot newer than 1692 that actually does so mething and works?! :) is there a way to check if a domain is valid in perl? localhost: no frac: no Because there's no such thing as a domain being valid in perl. * Winkola winks. hehe ok then, how do I do a system command and get the output into a va riable? Just like there's no such thing as a domain being valid in C. Frac: You mean if their perl is up-to-date? Frac: First, you read the documentation. uhm, no That tells you that FAQs like the last one are right there. uhm, yes. *** jasonsw (jason@eve.speakeasy.org) has joined channel #perl haha how do i remove one particular element in an array? jason: Depends. delete I think You can pop it or unshift it. delete is for associative arrays FracMak system() doesn't give you the output. I think $var = `comman d`; might help you. But then I don't really know what I'm talking about. jasonsw: splice but .. i need to remove it from the middle.. or an arbitrary posit ion If you know which one it is, you can target it specifically, or sp lice it, like jeckyll said. whats the operator? arbitrary? well, i'm not the best perl programmer in the world, s o someone might have a better answer, but for me, I'd look at them all, and reb uild the array without the one. it would be equivalent to delete, hopefully.. thanx Amagosa perldoc -f splice jason: how could it be equivalent to delete? delete uses a key... .the "arbitrarily-positioned" array element is just going to be some subscript number. true That is, the key to that arbitrarily-positioned element will be a number. *** MXV is now known as MXVafk oh, doh ok...I'm making an IRC bot and I need to get someone's hostname. ..is there any way I can do $var = `"e("who $1")` or anything like that to make it set the variable when the who info comes in? *** `Eravau (eravau@harmony.oaktree.net) has joined channel #perl localhost: you're really in over your head. ill just use a for to count into the array, then splice out that v alue Demon...no, I've just tried everything else I can think of I'm reachin out here :) localhost: you are reachin' but not far enough :) hence his comment that you are in over your head :) hahaha, go to www.ups.com I have it to answer the raw IRC code but the bot goes WAY to fas t and lag always messes it up.. I need some way to make it wait jasonsw: huh? if you know the index you can just splice it localhost: perldoc -f fork Hmmm, I've been filtering email from Larry as "junkmail". hehe localhost: well, you're going to have to deal with waiting for data from the server. My suggestion - find `sirc' - the author also has a bot write n in perl. hrmm....tom-bot? ya, I tried gettin it off his page...bad gzip :) It's very, very, easy to write bots using sirc as a base. yeah, I think that's it. My bot's already 3/4 written..just this big chunk missing :) d7: okay, www.ups.com, now what? localhost: well, if you really want to do that, you'll have to send the server the WHOIS nick string, then wait for it to reply. Also note that it may not reply right away, and other data may come in first before it replies, or it's possible that it will never reply. Demon: Ya, I already figured that out...the problem is making th e bot wait for the reply.... Find the perl.ocx and use ViRC, you can use perl with it, or any othe r activex language for that matter. twowtdo: aww, you weren't fast enough, 10 minutes ago there was a hack of the page :) localhost: and that's the problem ... the bot cannot wait for the re ply. ocx? isn't that for windows? what's they do? sirc handles hostname lookup already, look at the code what'd localhost: the bot needs to keep working on other stuff and deal wit h the reply when/if it comes in. Well it's the only client that supports perl that I could think of ya, I've tried everything from a while loop to sleep (Which is i mpossible to make it work) :P localhost: need to play with ipc,signals or threads :> *** TorgoX (~sburke@ans1-91.flash.net) has joined channel #perl Amagosa: sirc does, it's written in perl *** Amagosa (amagosa@dyn04-ts1.tetra.net) has joined channel #perl *** Amagosa (amagosa@dyn06-ts1.tetra.net) has joined channel #perl *** Signoff: lej (lej@dialup161-syd.healey.com.au) has left IRC [Leaving] That expression in the topic is lovely, and I almost understand it, b ut the perl regular expressions and all that ///blah stuff is really really con fusing to me :) So wheres a good web page that explains them, because I am to the poi nt where I need to learn that :) www.perl.com And your perl man pages. *** Dossy (dossy@branford-c-asy-2.rutgers.edu) has left channel #perl Well I have the perl man pages, I just read the perlre one, but it do esn't do a good job of making it something I can understand :) Amagosa: "Learning Perl" by Randal Schwartz. That's \merlyn's book. Okay but that isn't immediately available to me, there must be some b etter resource on the web that says "here's how to get rid of those damned extr a characters the right way, and here it is explained to total morons" http://www.perl.com/perl/faq Amagosa: Not that I know of. archon: Well... kinda. closest thing.. archon: Are we no longer recommending P5BE? i never recommended it in the first place i've never seen it oh yeah.. it's on the web somewhere, isn't it archon: Only online perl tutorial I know of... its mediocre. I am reading the regular expressions part again and I am still comple tely not understanding it :( you have characters that match different patterns.. what's so hard to understand? you might try looking at something like http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local /doc/FMTEYEWTK/regexps.html in conjunction with perlre Okay..so there's not color command in perl, like there is in basic ? just think of what you want to match and translate it into metachar acters Well I don't have characters that match regular patterns, I have a st ring of text that I need to extract a lot of crap out of that is useless. there's Term::ANSIColor wow, i did my encryption algorithm But split() isn't very helpful, so I've decided to try to learn these pattern matching expressions. I could have a big long bunch of if blocks I suppose, but that's wast eful Amagosa: $line =~ tr/$charsToBeStripped//d; True, you can tell me the answer to things, but I don't understand mo st of that. Amagosa: Do you mean individual characters that need to be extract ed, or blocks of text? amagosa, the best place to learn regexes is to pick up a copy of the h ip-owl book * Teratogen does several splits(), just to limber up kjj: Is that JFreid's book? Books are expensive though. I suppose I'll have to. stupid, ya Amagosa: You can't get around buying books. Well until now man pages and an example here or there are all I've ne eded :) But regexp's are a lot more complicated to me than anything else. Amagosa: They're really rather simple... once they stop looking li ke line-noise. Its one of those things you just need to stare at long enough. Kin da like German. amagosa, you might also try looking through the small code snippets sp rinkled throughout the documentation - and then try to decipher them what we really need is a prime-time commercial that mentions per l I saw a commercial on TV the other day that mentioned Java amagosa, many of them have simple regexes it was a SUN commercial blah no one sells perl yeah. coz lahk.. it's free. ok, then advertise it on PBS =) what for? there should be a special on Perl so that it will seep into the national subconscious "Your browser is frames challenged." HA! i see Well I've been looking through the things in the perlre man page, and I understand absolutely nothing of it "My browser challenges your lame feeling that frames are good" "My browser challenges your thinking that its frames challenged." L ynx 2.7.1 with frames, WOO HOO! amagosa, like I said, try looking at snippets that use regexes in othe r parts of the docs and try to decipher them - it might be easier to learn them if ($FORM{$i} =~ /[^abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789]/) { "My browser uses far less system resources than yours, and I don 't have to see the ads." Yes, that is from a CGI, but it's all I understand so far :) Amagosa: if ($FORM{$i} =~ /[^a-z\d]/) {} # same thing. My friend wrote that for me, and as I understand, it returns any char acters except the ones I have between ^ and ] *** Chris17 (nikki@oma-ne1-16.ix.netcom.com) has left channel #perl what we need is a perl-let browser plugin Amagosa: It says, 'If $FORM{$i} starts with a lowercase letter or number, do something' if ($FORM{$i} =~ /\W/) {} #almost same thing Tert: perl-let? amagosa, the idea is similar to a trick I learned in geometry for prob lems I was having a hard time solving - work backwards - rather than trying to understand the regex docs, try decoding simple regexes stupid: no it doesn't lynx 2.7.1 does frames? tmt: Yep. so I can write perllets instead of these stupid java applets tha t my boss has me writing eck. whoa *** Signoff: lithium (lithium@salem1-50.transport.com) has left IRC [changing s ervers] archon: Oops... if it DOESN'T start with a lowercase letter or num ber. it says if $FORM{$i} contains a character which is not a letter or a number do something Tera: See perl.ora.com. :) Okay now you guys don't even know what's going on :) right I read about that.. backend generation of java bytecode * Stupid goes to get some sugar laden drink to get his brain working again. stupid is confused (; Okay, so everything between the first / there, there is some complex crap, and at the end there is another / Lynx Version 2.7.1f (1997) <--got a frames url? wow. I just devoured a whole large Domino's sausage and pepperon i pizza * Teratogen feels sluggish * Teratogen looks toward the breadsticks hrmm.. shall I devour those also? With Domino's you have to do that, or else it turns to vinyl when it g ets cold. There are some [] that I assume have to be there to contain my expres sion, right? yeah *** Signoff: regex (obanta@foobar.bsdhackers.org) has left IRC [ircd.concentric .net irc.vol.com] *** Signoff: tchrist (tchrist@perl.com) has left IRC [ircd.concentric.net irc.v ol.com] amagosa: brackets say look for one of these characters. if the fir st character in the brackets is a ^, it says look for something that is not one of these characters *** Signoff: y0rt (macman@shell1.texas.net) has left IRC [ircd.concentric.net i rc.vol.com] *** Chris17 (nikki@oma-ne1-16.ix.netcom.com) has joined channel #perl I was hurrying, mjd. heheh *burp* 'scuse! =) Oh *** tchrist (tchrist@perl.com) has joined channel #perl *** y0rt (macman@shell1.texas.net) has joined channel #perl *** regex (obanta@foobar.bsdhackers.org) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+o tchrist] on channel #perl by irc.vol.com!@ *** Mode change [+o tchrist] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.enviroli nk.org * HTML Programming and Web Site Design HTML isn't a programming l anguage, dear. Hi Tom. can anyone give me a web page or an exact document to look for to get text output black? *** Mode change [+o tchrist] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net christ: I believe that that's the default if you use the WRTERM macro. chris: that's a web question. So /[^chars]/ is basicially are there any characters that match chars , and the ^ makes it have the opposite effect, are there any chars that are NOT those. please read the topic. archon: No its not, silly! *** Signoff: |LF| (lf@twisted.mistic.net) has left IRC [Ping timeout] how is that a web question? that's simple Chris, get yourself a DecWriter bahaha! oh.. nevermind. chris: use Term::ANSIColor; Do I still know what I'm doing? amagosa: it says match a pattern that contains a character which is not one of these characters I know..but I have no idea how to use modules...and the documentat ion doesn't help that much the documentation shows you exactly how to use it archon but the way I broke it down to my pathetic level of understand ing is correct, right? SYNOPSIS use Term::ANSIColor; print color 'bold blue'; print "This text is bold blue.\n"; how is that unclear? chris, check faq section 'How do I do fancy stuff with the keyboard/sc reen/mouse?' *** |LF| (lf@twisted.mistic.net) has joined channel #perl amagosa: yes. archon: Could you run that by me again? ;-) tmt: run what by you again? how do I use use Term::ANSIColor j/k d= *** orev (superg@shell1.eznet.net) has joined channel #perl *** TacoBoy (tacoboy@ts02-knox-25.skyenet.net) has joined channel #perl whats it mean when you try to run a perl-made cgi and it says bash : ./go.cgi: No such file or directory even though it runs when you do perl go.c gi ? bye-bye it means you're asking in the wrong channel aaaAAArrrrrGGGGGGGG! read the topic hmmm weeeeell its a question relating to perl the perl program wont run from the shell head -1 go.cgi #!/usr/local/bin/perl *** Mode change [-o+b TacoBoy *!*acoboy@*skyenet.net] on channel #perl by tchri st!tchrist@perl.com *** tchrist has kicked TacoBoy from channel #perl [learn to apostrophize] heh m/PATTERN/gimosx hehe I'm back. :-) * archon laugh's Okay, that means that in the string I give (=~ or whatever)... The g says lets find every instance of "PATTERN" in that string. The i says ignore case. The m says it could be more than one line. Now the m and s being there at the same time confuse me. And so do the o and the x, but I'll ask that later :) Why, Amagosa? Because you read naughty docs that misled you? s doesn't mean single line and m mean multiline. That's deceptive . Damn documentation :) *Whose* documentation? :-) Umm... the manual pages, the perlop one specificially. s means dot matches newline, and m means ^ and $ can match both at the edges as well as inside a string next to newlines. Furthermore, both woul d override any $* settings. Damn, that's still there? hahahah *** Sin29 (j@moocow.lumiere.net) has joined channel #perl I hate that. So without s, then \n's get ignored? Thought I'd fixed it. *your* documentation what's the variable for the standard input? I fixed it in perlre. Forgot about perlop. Damn. *** Signoff: Phaedrus (roman@PORTAL.STWING.UPENN.EDU) has left IRC [irc-e.prime net.com irc1.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: Mylo (~mylo@arrow.netraid.com) has left IRC [irc-e.primenet.com ir c1.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: \merlyn (~merlyn@gadget.cscaper.com) has left IRC [irc-e.primenet. com irc1.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: \petey (~michael@yhwh.flash.net) has left IRC [irc-e.primenet.com irc1.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: Sloejack (asilva@hobbes.clinton.net) has left IRC [irc-e.primenet. com irc1.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: digital (~digital@millennium.stealth.net) has left IRC [irc-e.prim enet.com irc1.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: phobia (~phobia@phobia-x.netrox.net) has left IRC [irc-e.primenet. com irc1.phoenix.net] The one in your documentation, Sin29. *** CTCP VERSION reply from Sin29: Running PhoEniX Master's Editio n by Vassago What is that? *** \merlyn (~merlyn@gadget.cscaper.com) has joined channel #perl *** digital (~digital@millennium.stealth.net) has joined channel #perl *** \petey (~michael@yhwh.flash.net) has joined channel #perl *** Mylo (~mylo@arrow.netraid.com) has joined channel #perl *** Phaedrus (roman@PORTAL.STWING.UPENN.EDU) has joined channel #perl *** phobia (~phobia@phobia-x.netrox.net) has joined channel #perl *** Sloejack (asilva@hobbes.clinton.net) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+oo \merlyn Sloejack] on channel #perl by ircd.phoenix.net!@ Something wrong with that tchrist? :) *** Mode change [+o \merlyn] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.enviroli nk.org *** Mode change [+o Sloejack] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.envirol ink.org Looks lame. it's a trimmed down version of phoenix less bloat In any event, what happen when you grepped for stdin in the manpag es? And what is phoenix? s/happen/$&s/ phoenix is an ircii script hot Okay, so what does it mean by "Compile pattern only once", the o *** Mode change [+ooo tchrist Stupid Silmaril] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asi lva@hobbes.clinton.net *** Mode change [+o _tchrist_] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clint on.net *** Mode change [+ooo womble muncher Winkola] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asil va@hobbes.clinton.net *** Mode change [+o Abigail] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net Read MRE. and when I grep for stdin, nothing turns up Untrue. You're doing it wrong. tc, we've already been through the 'get the book' thing... jhereg(tchrist)% grep stdin /usr/src/perl/pod/*.pod | wc -l 20 The /o means to expand variables the first time only, even if they change. Sin29, do you see that grep output? jhereg(tchrist)% grep -i stdin /usr/src/perl/pod/*.pod | wc -l 111 There's another. I see one hundred and eleven instances of stdin in the documentati on. You told me you couldn't find any. How do you account for this disparity? :-) Heh, doubt not anyone who irc's from perl.com, I guess I *am* perl.com, don't you know? I thought so. ie IWTFM Well I gathered you wrote it a few minutes ago *** Signoff: Chris17 (nikki@oma-ne1-16.ix.netcom.com) has left IRC [Ping timeou t] No, it's taken years. You know what I meant :) Of course, but it's not as much fun. :-) hehe Where in that pecator perli go? s/in/did/ how would I make a variable $ip be an array? @($ip)? that is, I want $ip to be the name of an array So without the o, if a variable happened to be a string containing th e name of another variable, it would then go over the string again, replace the name of the variable with it's value and so on until there were no more names of variables that hadn't been 'interpolated'? @{$ip} But why do that? C>$ID_File"); while ( defined ($ID = ) ) {#bla h}> Is there something fundamentally wrong with this? (System checks removed for terseness) it's not a value. it's its value. *** Sin29 (j@moocow.lumiere.net) has left channel #perl +>> is *ALWAYS FUCKING WRONG* Sorry. Eek. Randal pushed that through on the LLama and he is *WRONG* because he doesn't grok O_APPEND hmm, because I want to store data asociated with an ip address. tc: Its not my code, I'm modifying it. from a log file. tc: So how do I do 'read then append' properly? There are very very few places that +>> can make sense. Are you trying to read and write the same file, or read and *only append* to it? Amagosa... tc: Read then *only* append to the same file. What it means is that if you say this: $pat = shift; while (<>) { print if /$pat/o } Well, you probably have to clear the stdio eof flag. Amagosa, with that /o, we don't have to check whether $pat has cha nged. So it's faster. Much faster. But if /$pat/ every has more than one value the whole program, you can't use it. Oh tc: ?? stdio eof flag? I'm a bit lost. Did you read perlfaq6 about this? So if we're going to change the value of $pat, then we should not use o perlfaq6: What is /o really for? Right. Otherwise, though unneccessary, it makes it execute faster. tc: I will have did in a moment. :) Does it apply to the whole program, or just the code block you use it in? THE WHOLE PROGRAM! sucks, i know. *** Signoff: |LF| (lf@twisted.mistic.net) has left IRC [Ping timeout] Stupid, +>> puts the seek pointer at the end of file! You want +< instead. +< is virtually always the right mode for update. tc: Oh... so I'm reading from the end of the file. Ahhh... so +<, read all the way through, then just print to append. Gotcha. *** |LF| (lf@twisted.mistic.net) has joined channel #perl So it basicially shoves it off into ram somewhere and makes the refer ences to it elsewhere into pointers to it, or should I just shut up now :) Um, maybe. You may have to clear the stdio eof flag tc: I don't know what the stdio eof flag is. You should read the FAQ, amarrisima. See the tail -f related faq, stupid. And do this: jhereg(tchrist)% grep sysopen /usr/src/perl/pod/perlfaq5.pod sysopen(FH, "/path/name", O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644); sysopen(FH, "file.lock", O_WRONLY|O_EXCL|O_CREAT, 0644) sysopen(FH, "numfile", O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644) or die "can't open nu mfile: $!"; sysopen(FH, "/tmp/somefile", O_WRONLY|O_NDELAY|O_CREAT, 0644) sysopen(FH, "/tmp/somefile", O_WRONLY|O_EXCL|O_CREAT, 0644) IT makes it more clear what's happening. But use mode 0666 or you'll piss people off. I'm more confused than ever now. *** Signoff: gobridge (gobridge@gobridge.vip.best.com) has left IRC [Leaving] Using a variable in a regular expression match forces a re-evaluat ion (and perhaps recompilation) each time through. The /o modifier locks in th e regexp the first time it's used. This always happens in a constant regular e xpression, and in fact, the pattern was compiled into the internal format at th e same time your entire program was. <|LF|> Can I use crypt with perl? and if so how? yes. rtfm perlfunc Hm... that's a lie. Oh LF: The lovely built-in so-obvious-it-hurts crypt() function. It's compiled the first time it's seen, and then its value is save d. <|LF|> thanks Stupid :) Hehehehahaha, I once came here trying to get around redhat 4.0's not having crypt() in their distribution of perl. So you may need to download and rebuild perl, if you have a crappy di stribution :) tales from the crypt() *** Signoff: Vector1 (~vecdev@ip46.m5.nwlink.com) has left IRC [Leaving] Daytrip, threads are a little bird whispering in your ear. Learn select. <|LF|> I just dont know how to call it up now, My llama book doesnt cover fu nctions or crypt :( *** BradeRuna (kevlar@ecis-dyn53.ecis.com) has joined channel #perl Stupid, I am sad. um.. your llama book doesn't cover functions? What does "dont" mean, Aleph? So if it's got /o, then perl never looks at the expression a second t ime to see if any variables inside it have changed LF: Is it pink? tc: I'm sorry if I made you so. The Llama covers only basic perl. *RIGHT* Amagosa. The Llama, irrespective of color, covers only basic perl. <|LF|> is what pink the book?? Its white crypt() is pretty easy to use. I just always forget if you feed it t he salt first or last :) Last I believe. Lapis Llama covers v5. <|LF|> but im reading the man page for perlfunc this may give me the info I need. $variable = crypt($encryptme, $salt); Its white what? Its white pages? Its white cover? Its white is whiter than its pink? |LF| *PLEASE*stopwritingthat tchrist did you write perl or just the manual pages and all? <|LF|> got it.... larry wall wrote perl originally <|LF|> tchrist wtf are you talking about???? lf: your lack of proper punctuation tc: AH! I get what you're saying about the eof flag (I think.) <|LF|> what is this a fucking english class now? LF: Unfortunately it is when tchrist is around. |LF| for someone in need of help you aren't being very nice :) you could certainly use one (= use English; <|LF|> Come on guys, I don't need this ok. use Punctuation; <|LF|> just chill out. |LF| you wanted to know about crypt(), i gave you a line up there a w ays that I'm pretty sure is right :) #perl + tc = use strict English; Here lemme dig it out of my adduser.pl again good thing <|LF|> thanks Amagosa, I apreciate this. appreciate <|LF|> archon, If i choose to use bad grammer/spelling/punctuation then let me ok? Perl has nothing to do with this, and you are NOT my teacher. grammar I forgot, we are here for you...(||LF|) the free english lessons come with the free perl answers... yeah <|LF|> fuck you LF: With free help comes all the crap we feel like piling on. Dea l with it. <|LF|> I dont need the free help that bad you fucking pompus assholes /kick <|LF|> $encrypted = crypt($encryptme, $salt); <- laughing lots. please pass the $salt =) pompous he he <|LF|> suck my cock geez, we get grief from people for not giving free help with perl, and grief from people when we give free help with english Now you need a salt, which is what the string is encrypted with (not really, really some zeros are encrypted with your string and so on, but we'll p retend) LF: Just chill out and flow with it. Or /ignore the relevant part ies. Show respect and ye shall recieve... yeesh, LF, simmer down i before e except after c, BradeRuna receive |LF| I'm not going to repeat this, so you better listen up (old witch english teacher voice) perl before java except after c does that work? as in neighbor and weigh... no, I guess it doesn't |LF| you got the crypt() part so far? Teraogen: Rather well, actually. got me <|LF|> I've never met such a bunch of jerks in my life. <|LF|> Amogosa, Yes thank you. You know if I were an op, I would have kicked you long ago to be hone st. =) me too! add me to the list! *** uNo (uNo@199.174.169.197) has joined channel #perl Okay, lets say you have a password to encrypt, we'll pretend you're a dding a new user to your passwd file or whatever. <|LF|> I really dont care at this point, If I were an oper I would have site banned all of you by now for being jerks So you want a random $salt |LF| shut the hell up and listen. lf, if we are the jerkiest folks you have met, you haven't seen much o f the world ;-) LF, come down off the meth, dude Amagosa: Actually... the usual unix salt is the first two characte rs of the given password. Stupid sssshhhhh We are making up a new password, so we want random ones. <|LF|> No Amogosa, You dont know what I wanted the info for, I already ahve the salt routine I need, I just was unaware of any crypt functions in perl. My one and only perl book does not cover this. If we were comparing a password to an existing one, yes we'd want the first two characters. LF: "Programming Perl" does. |LF| oh, well you know how to use crypt() now, so go away. <|LF|> I gotta laugh at this, I really do. *** Vector1 (~vecdev@ip46.m5.nwlink.com) has joined channel #perl your english is improving already! another satisfied customer (= thank you, drive through <|LF|> yep wutever you sez mr archon |LF| do you know you're running a rootable version of sendmail? *** Mode change [+b *!lf@twisted.mistic.net] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern @komodo.envirolink.org bhahahahaha *** Stupid has kicked |LF| from channel #perl [Laugh it up, fuzzbal.] * Amagosa applauds and throws money thank you, drive thru! huh huh-huh My kinda crowd. * uNo just sits back and observs the comedy He's threatening to 'nuke' our channel. rad * archon phearz let him try it loser * BradeRuna sees it worse than that... while ($paragraph =~ /[a-z]['")]*[.!?]+['")]*\s/g) { $sentences++; } Okay, this takes the variable $paragraph... And says do you have characters matching a-z in the first [] In the second it asks about ', ", and ) But what does the * do? says 0 or more of the previous character everything inside the brackets counts as one character in that case I don't think I understand hmm brackets say match one of these characters $this =~ /[A-Z]*/; # does $this contain zero or more A-Z's? Oh, so if it contains 17 W's, it doesn't care. It only cares that th ere are not zero of them. when I do unshift @{$1}, $dir I get an error about trying to modi ty a read-only value. no.. it would match 0 of them as well * says match 0 or more oh wait I think I see :) Okay now you really lost me :) 0 or more? yep Amagosa: Yep. I don't understand 0 or more? Woo, fear my punctuation :) \= Amagosa: Pretty much means it doesn't care if its there or not. So it just ignores those characters? Amagosa: It matches as many as it can. Oh. But with the /g, doesn't it do that anyway? Amagosa: '123ABC123' =~ m/[A-Z]*/; # this matches the ABC part. /blah*/ matches bla, blahasld, and blagh, but not blha *** Signoff: Free_ (coder@n2-103-128.thegrid.net) has left IRC [Operation timed out] *** Signoff: BradeRuna (kevlar@ecis-dyn53.ecis.com) has left IRC [Read error: 5 4 (Connection reset by peer)] Oh, so as long as the characters are in that order, even if there are characters inbetween them, it matches? no.. it doesn't care if the h is there or not. that example was confusing, sorry Why the h, because it is the last one? it matches bla blah blahh blahhh etc it will match a string that contains any of those Oh, so it doesn't have to contain all, just any? yes $paragraph =~ /[a-z]['")]*[.!?]+['")]*\s/g So that means match in $paragraph, the characters a-z, any but not ne ccessarily all of ', ", and ) Now how about those last two blocks, whats up with the + matches a lowercase letter, optionally followed by one or more ', " , or ), followed by one or more ., !, or ? optionally followed by ', ", or ), a nd a space *** Signoff: uNo (uNo@199.174.169.197) has left IRC [Leaving] + is like * except it says 1 or more rather than 0 or more /a+/ matches a, aa, aaa etc So it has to be folowwed by one of .!? yes Okay, so there are sentences, made up of lower case letters. /a*/ matches "", "a", "aa", "aaa", etc They might have end quotes and parenthesis. They might have punctuation marks after that. They must have punctuations after that. Then they might have quotes or parenthesis. no, might must might * + * There will be a space (\s) after that. *** Signoff: kjj (kjj@ip-22-040.phx.primenet.com) has left IRC [arf] And the /g means to search all of $paragraph and match as many times as we can. Wow, this is neat as hell :) Does anyone want anything from the convenience store? *** Santar (stevej@shell.wco.com) has joined channel #perl Amagosa: Toldja. argh i'll take a dr pepper, stupid (= say I have a variable $ip, and I want to make an array out of it. such as unshift @{$ip}, $dir; Merlinus: @ip = split(/$delim/, $ip); $ip[0] = $ip; i.e. I want an array named after an ip address, that contains dir ectories. Merlinus: $directories{$ip}[$index] = $directory; yah but I want to be able to pop/shift it Merlinus: pop(@{$directories{$ip}}); pop @{$directories{$ip}}, $directory Merlinus: shift(@{$directories{$ip}}, $directory); mmmm archon: almost. er, oops heh only one arg for pop okay... thanks I'll try that. Merlius: You're going to have to learn references whether you like it or not. *** Signoff: Vector1 (~vecdev@ip46.m5.nwlink.com) has left IRC [Leaving] hehehe haven't used refs in perl (yet I guess) Merlinus: I believe you have to initialize the array with $directo ries{$ip} = []; I could be wrong. you could be right Nope. Not necessary. cool oh.. i thought you were wondering about syntax you'd be right if you were strict which you should be (= push(@{$dirs{'ip'}}, 'blah', 'fpp'); How odd. strict is complaini ng that blah and fpp are barewords. hmm, array of arrays or list of arrays. prolly the latter is wha t I'll try first. I'm doing it as a perl -e so maybe my shell is stripping the single quotes. prolly Merlinus: Hash of arrays is what you're looking for. List of arrays? yes, hash of arrays makes more sense page 266 :) HoL # append new members to an existing family push @{ $HoL{"flintstones"} }, "wilma", "betty"; Merlinus: List of arrays makes no sense. Its the same as List of Lists. *** lej (lej@dialup159-syd.healey.com.au) has joined channel #perl hi hey all hey orev *** Signoff: Santar (stevej@shell.wco.com) has left IRC [Leaving] *** Amagosa (amagosa@206.246.163.35) has joined channel #perl Do you have coffee and a computer at home? Then f*** the cafe! how would I determine the number of arrays in a HoL? tmtowtdi: tmtowtdi ewps rephrase how would I determine the size of a given array in a HoL? @{$dirs{$ip}} doesn't seem to work lej: Pittsburgh. Merlius: It should. unshift @{$dirs{$ip}}, $8; pop @{$dirs{$ip}} if @{$dirs{$ip}} > 10; the pop doesn't occur Merlius: It shouldn't unless the number of items in @{$dirs{$ip}} is greater than 10. (I only want to keep 10 (arbitrarily) dirs in each array at most) yah but I am getting thousands of dirs in each array, so it is go ing over 10. :/ Merlius: Try if (@{$dirs{$ip}}) #put the parens in. hmm you mean if (@{$dirs{$ip}}) > 10; ?? Merlinus: Yeah. That should force scalar context. * lej loves perl ... lej: I love perl's reference model. define reference model? lej: The way it handles references. ahhh I love the typeless variables and what few data structures there are, making for overall flexibility stupid: & etc? @{$dirs{$ip}} for instance is beautifly easy. I figured it out. the ()'s weren't it I was messsed up in the wa y I was pr9inting it out. my fault. yah this is extremely slick. lej: Yep... having only a half-dozen data types to worry about it very nice... however, it does cost more memory. stupid: true, but in today's world, it's great ;) besides, you can compensate by having really slick internal typing alg orithms Using atoi constantly wastes cpu lej: Perl still uses alot of memory. *** Signoff: Arroz (rusty@vader.uta.edu) has left IRC [Ping timeout] stupid: true, but I am prepared to make that sacrafice stupid: and if you weren't, you wouldn't be here, either ;) Memory is cheap, programmers are not. lej: There's some interesting things once can do involving vec to trim down the memory footprint. s/once/one/ stupid: enlighten me In the next episode of amagosa's wisdom, llamas, and why they make be tter skilled laborers than the average american :) lej: Hmm, lemme see if I can find it... amagosa: sshh!!! the truth is something we don't _do_ anymore!! :) :) lej: I think its in the FAQ. *** Arroz (rusty@vader.uta.edu) has joined channel #perl stupid: which faq? I have only ever really read the camel ... I always assumed that whatever was in the faq's would be in the camel How can I make my Perl program take less memory? stupid: oh ... http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/doc/FAQs/FAQ/PerlFAQ.html#How_can_I_ make_my_Perl_program_t stupid: I have a few tricks of my own for that actually ... I do my ow n garbage collection from time to time ;) *** Penth (rachelwuxt@dynamic21.pm05.ba.best.com) has joined channel #perl * lej gotta go dunny ... back sewn "In some cases, using substr or vec to simulate arrays can be highl y beneficial. For example, an array of a thousand booleans will take at least 2 0,000 bytes of space, but it can be turned into one 125-byte bit vector..." split(/ /); would this split a sentence up by spaces? or should i u se \s or something? "Tie::SubstrHash module can also help for certain types of data..." split(' ') is supposed to be optimized for splitting by whitespa ce phobia: It will split on spaces. \s will split on any whitespace (tabs, newlines, spaces...) stupid -- killer.. thenks.. *** Signoff: Penth (rachelwuxt@dynamic21.pm05.ba.best.com) has left IRC [Leavin g] *** borys (~borys@colossus.csl.mtu.edu) has joined channel #perl *** fimmtiu (fimmtiu@rm220r.maryhay.smu.edu) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+o fimmtiu] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.enviroli nk.org *** Mode change [+oooo archon borys Teratogen tmtowtdi] on channel #perl by fim mtiu!fimmtiu@rm220r.maryhay.smu.edu thanks, fimm *** Vector1 (~vecdev@ip7.m1.nwlink.com) has joined channel #perl No problem. *** Mode change [+o Vector1] on channel #perl by fimmtiu!fimmtiu@rm220r.maryhay .smu.edu fimm =) * lej is away for a bit ... fimm: surprise us with a topics oops a topic brb *** Signoff: lej (lej@dialup159-syd.healey.com.au) has left IRC [Leaving] *** fimmtiu has changed the topic on #perl to "Asking CGI/Web questions will ge t you stabbed to death. No auto-aways!" * tmtowtdi is away, but when I get back I have a cgi question for you. .me remains impassive, fingering the K-Bar. Er... * fimmtiu remains impassive, fingering the K-Bar. * Amagosa is automaticially dead what client are you using? I know it's so much effort to type /ctcp fimmtiu version, but I'll indulge you this once. It's ircle v3.0b8. That macintosh client? Yes. I'm quite fodn of it now. Er, fond. (It hasn't improved my typing, though. ;) *** Bruno (bruno@velvet.pimpin.org) has joined channel #perl any one know why this: if ($email) { ($email eq $uinfo[0]) || $no_exact = 1; } would return this: Can't modify logical or in scalar assignment at index.cgi line 430, near ""1";" Yes. why!? please :) Your comparison operator isn't comparing. :) how not? = is not == . ALWAYS run your script with -w on. I'm trying to set the value of $no_exact to 1. You are? * fimmtiu scratches his head. yes. Precedence lossage. if $email is defined, it must equal $uinfo[0] or define $no_exact if not. It's thinking "(($email eq $uinfo[0]) || $no_exact) = 1;", when yo u meant "($email eq $uinfo[0]) || ($no_exact = 1);" Frankly, that's a really ugly way to write it. How about: ah.. that's it. unless ($email eq $uinfo[0]) { $no_exact = 1; } right.. I only want to execute that IF $email is defined though. OK... so... I should've known.. more parens :) *** Sp|derMan (FINE@IP198-TC5.Busprod.Com) has joined channel #perl so? Fuck me not really sorry rather if (defined $email and $email ne $uinfo[0]) { $no_exact = 1; } heh. tell me... There are two um.. let's use Cars.. Two cars one's a very LARGE car.. and the other fairly small.. They both have identical engines, drive assemblies.. so on.. They are face to face pushing against each other.. which one would move the other one? both are in DRIVE. if ($email eq '') { spew errors } else { email is set } Does anyone know the answer to Sp|derMan's question, seriously? The large car would more the other, because it has more mass. But if this physics lesson is a hidden metaphor, I don't get it. s/more/move/ Anyone else? Agree/disagree/why? heh.. i uh :) Come on! I would have to agree. Yet given the apparent 'trick question' vibe .. I'll go for the small car. This is not a trick question. :) it shouldn't be Okay, both cars are exerting equal force. New comments? No one? I don't feel like wasting the brain cells on it... I have few enou gh at this time of night as it is. :) Car1_Force - Car2_Force = 0 They exert equal force on eachother, so they cancel. Neither car will change in motion. Neither car will move. Even #teen got this one right. i give up *** Sp|derMan (FINE@IP198-TC5.Busprod.Com) has left channel #perl My last physics class was... mmm, lessee... three years ago, and I 've done my best to forget as much as I can since then. ;) has anyone here ever iterated with getservent ? sounds kinky hehe well, I practice safe iteration *** catch22 (~catch22@www-directory.Stanford.org) has joined channel #perl would: @foo = { ($a, $b, $c) = split(/\s/); } produce an array of a ,b,c in @foo? No. {} is bad syntax there. I'm working with something that looks kinda like a password file. I want to grab just the first field. Is it faster to say $line =~ m/^(.*?):/; and use $1 or ... hrmm. ($name,$aliases,$port,$proto) = getserv* fimmtiu -- any other ideas on how to do it? getserv* ? I've never seen that before.. should I say (split(/:/, $line))[0]; @foo = split /\s/, $string, 3; # would work, though. that's from perldoc... No need for the extra variables/ fimm -- mm.. sounds good.. thenx.. really weird lemme try it *** MartinT (d97thure@leemor.dtek.chalmers.se) has joined channel #perl THIS is the bomb. * archon ducks and covers A TrueType Mac font modeled after Enya's handwriting. :D um.. great heheh have you seen the dead crackbabies font? NO! Sounds great... i saw something about it on asr.. i found the web page, but i'd have to look for it again eh? http://www.nwoca.ohio.gov/~bjbaker/brian/collect.html *** Mylo (~mylo@arrow.netraid.com) has left channel #perl *** Myl0 (~mylo@arrow.netraid.com) has joined channel #perl *** Myl0 (~mylo@arrow.netraid.com) has left channel #perl *** MartinT (d97thure@leemor.dtek.chalmers.se) has left channel #perl *** Signoff: Vector1 (~vecdev@ip7.m1.nwlink.com) has left IRC [Leaving] *** FrySaturn (Fry@168-91-36.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #perl *** FrySaturn (Fry@168-91-36.ipt.aol.com) has left channel #perl hell, if nobody knows, I'm goin' to bed :) Shit. It's in Windows format. *** Signoff: catch22 (~catch22@www-directory.Stanford.org) has left IRC [ircII2 .8.2-EPIC3.003-BETA2 --- Bloatware at its finest.] oh.. Man... Eye Candy 3.0 rocks. Hell yeah it does :) Almost as much as reversing the order of words with regular expressio ns Man, combined with KPT Planar Tiling, this thing becomes the Ultim ate Background Patter App. s/Patter/Pattern/ I wish I had KPT Yeah, it's nice. fimm: Enya font! I use that. I worked at a multimedia computer lab, so this was one of the frin ge benefits my boss granted us. :P *** Cyber18 (Cyber18@2071599620.bellatlantic.net) has joined channel #perl I was a student drafted into a teacher at school. My fringe benefits were a computer with 8MB of ram and a 486slc50 instead of a 4mb 33. woo Woo. hashes of arrays are K00L hay, question for someone, in unix.. what's the command line to e xtract a standard tar hehe :) tar -xvf file.tar Cyber18: tar -xf filename.tar thank you!! trivia question: what two Unix commands have optinal arguments wh ere the - is also optional? :) s/optinal/optional ps and... *** Cyber18 (Cyber18@2071599620.bellatlantic.net) has left channel #perl ps.... good one. the other one should be easy BSD flavor of ps anyway. true, BSD ps tar. hehe tar yah I just realized I didn't need to learn these damn regular expressions :) I could've put this string into an list and it'd be fine. Oh well, all that /matchstuff/ is cool as hell :) Yup! Well, I'm off to bed. 'Night, all. *** Signoff: fimmtiu (fimmtiu@rm220r.maryhay.smu.edu) has left IRC [Sleep: The Other White Meat.] *** Signoff: Bruno (bruno@velvet.pimpin.org) has left IRC [Leaving] *** tmtowtdi (sjohn@PM25.CP.Duluth.MN.US) has left channel #perl *** Signoff: borys (~borys@colossus.csl.mtu.edu) has left IRC [Read error: 0 (U ndefined error: 0)] *** Signoff: Sloejack (asilva@hobbes.clinton.net) has left IRC [irc.blackened.c om *.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: phobia (~phobia@phobia-x.netrox.net) has left IRC [irc.blackened.c om *.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: \petey (~michael@yhwh.flash.net) has left IRC [irc.blackened.com * .phoenix.net] *** Signoff: Phaedrus (roman@PORTAL.STWING.UPENN.EDU) has left IRC [irc.blacken ed.com *.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: \merlyn (~merlyn@gadget.cscaper.com) has left IRC [irc.blackened.c om *.phoenix.net] *** Signoff: digital (~digital@millennium.stealth.net) has left IRC [irc.blacke ned.com *.phoenix.net] *** \merlyn (~merlyn@gadget.cscaper.com) has joined channel #perl *** digital (~digital@millennium.stealth.net) has joined channel #perl *** \petey (~michael@yhwh.flash.net) has joined channel #perl *** Phaedrus (roman@PORTAL.STWING.UPENN.EDU) has joined channel #perl *** phobia (~phobia@phobia-x.netrox.net) has joined channel #perl *** Sloejack (asilva@hobbes.clinton.net) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+oo \merlyn Sloejack] on channel #perl by ircd.phoenix.net!@ *** Mode change [+o \merlyn] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.enviroli nk.org *** Mode change [+o Sloejack] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.envirol ink.org *** Mode change [+ooo tchrist Stupid Silmaril] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asi lva@hobbes.clinton.net *** Mode change [+ooo _tchrist_ womble muncher] on channel #perl by Sloejack!as ilva@hobbes.clinton.net *** Mode change [+o Winkola] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net *** Mode change [+o Abigail] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net That was fun *** Signoff: muncher (~quon@128.96.134.63) has left IRC [Ping timeout] *** muncher (~quon@128.96.134.63) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+o muncher] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net *** Signoff: regex (obanta@foobar.bsdhackers.org) has left IRC [irc.blackened.c om irc.vol.com] *** Signoff: tchrist (tchrist@perl.com) has left IRC [irc.blackened.com irc.vol .com] *** Signoff: y0rt (macman@shell1.texas.net) has left IRC [irc.blackened.com irc .vol.com] *** insearch (~badboy@xlab1.fiu.edu) has joined channel #perl i wanna download a bunch of shit from http://tucows.myriad.net/fi les/ (a TUCOWS mirror). can i do something and use CuteFTP to download multiple files and go to bed? Why don't you call your isp and ask. *** Mode change [+i] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.envirolink.org *** Stupid has kicked insearch from channel #perl [I doubt this has anything to do with Perl.] ack. *** Mode change [-i] on channel #perl by Stupid!schwern@komodo.envirolink.org don't do that. heh * Amagosa applauds I used to be tech support at an ISP graveyard shift hey... this place is dead.. we coulda had some fun first.. :) I had to take calls like that all night long =( tera: heh.. nighttime support? and if any of the servers went haywire orev: There's the Quick and the Kicked. the wares and porn crowd would call in with death threats blah! I called them the warez and porn crowd downloading shit all night long yeah.. sometimes its fun to go through their directories and see if t hey have anything interesting.. yeh except, I didn't have admin access now I do =) I don't need to warez on my own, I just say locate hexen2 *** aas (18@huk.a.sn.no) has joined channel #perl locate applixware turned up like 5 copies on one of my boxes I thought, god, i should allow open warezing in /tmp, it'd save me di sk space or write them as 'root' and say "your not downloading warez, are you" , and then they shit themselves.. /usr/tmp.. /tmp is more for system stuff.. I don't run bsd what you got? I use linux theres a /usr/tmp in linux too NetBSD is too expensive, there is no BSDi for Alpha, and there is no FreeBSD for alpha I used to write the X11 netscape binary to troublemakers heheh Well I don't use my /usr/tmp, that's for damn sure. Teratogen hehe heh.. i would write vmunix to them.. since I was my own supervisor on graveyard shift, if someone alpha linux is pretty cool.. was giving me grief, I would put the bastard on hold One of our commecial web clients kept failing pop3 connects and go to lunch or something They said it would take forever and they just pressed reset. So I look at their mail file, woo like a 8mb file attachment. it's when you pick up the phone and hear Lo and behold, they weren't waiting "YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS DISCONNECTED ME! hHAHAHAAHA I WAS DOWNLOADING A 500 MEGABYTE FILE BLAH BLAH BLAH *click* then they call back.. tera: check out the "bastard operator from hell" stories.. "YOU FUCKING HUNG UP ON ME YOU BASTARD etc. but, you know, they never complained to the day supervisor about me heheh hehe BOFH rules.. I've seen that site orev: BOFH! "Hmmm... after looking at our http proxy logs you see m to be visiting www.farmanimalsex.com alot..." hahaha BUFH was fun, too. heheh.. U=? user? Bastard User From Hell. ahh It intertwined with the BOFH series, showing how the BUFH twarted a ll the things the BOFH did in the original series. sometimes I would reset modems *** Signoff: \petey (~michael@yhwh.flash.net) has left IRC [Connection reset by peer] just to see what kind of phone calls I could scare up. heheh Teratogen: What was the name of your ISp again? So I can avoid it . I'm glad that we are no longer an ISP hehe you can avoid it. it no longer exists. we sold it. *** \petey (michael@fwasc1-37.flash.net) has joined channel #perl smart move, getting out of the ISP business I like commercial web hosting / design Most people are too stupid to notice when I fuck something up that's what we do now. virtual servers but I am no longer in tech support heheh And since I haven't fucked up badly in 108 days now, i'm fine the last time I fucked up... one of my procs went haywire and started tarzipping root [jwheeler@cat jwheeler]$ uptime 4:08am up 108 days, 17:17, 327 users, load average: 0.39, 0.16, 0 .11 but we recovered without loss of service on that box of course, with my luck, one of the first things tarzipped was b in dd a GB of /dev/zero to a file. !! Then gzip it Then gzip the gzip It comes to about 2500 k 2500 bytes i mean but there was another bin directory NFS mounted by some admin lo ng ago Then give it to someone tell them it's an ultra compressed copy of li ke 200 animal porns had all the commands in /bin that saved me. That is a good idea, as long as no write access. I may have to do that Amagosa: Impressive uptime. Yeah I thought so too. believe me, when you lose /bin you are, like, lost Yeah. Tera: Not necessarily... well, it makes things tough Unless you have /bin2 which is symlinked from /var/bin2 which has a b ackup My system is cross wired like the millenium falcon well, we had that by mistake, Ama Except it doesn't break as much but I recommended that we make it a permanent part of the setup heheh * Stupid is looking for a unix fable... this was an NFS-mounted bin directory, though <\petey> blew away /dev/zero and /dev/null on a Solaris box we used for test ing once. Fun stuff that. Stupid the one about the at&t box at some college with an uptime of 7 00 days we get power outages in the summer because of the monsoon Nono. The one about how they recovered a unix system using only a memory resident copy of emacs. it screws our up-times Stupid cool :) Amagosa: Though I'd like to see that one. because sometimes the power outage outlasts the ups's If you find it tell me a url My ups lasts me about 50 minutes. If my power is out longer than that, too fucking bad. I still had bash resident when my little accident happened I didn't dare log out Teratogen hehe instead I rousted our admin out of bed (it was like 4 in the morning) and together we pieced things back together. fear me. users with shells set to /bin2/sh err.. backup roots :) heh vroot:password:0:0:System Administrator:/var/root:/bin2/sh <\petey> that's an unexepected crypt for the password ;) well i didn't cut that out of passwd that's just about what it says This looks cute: gopher://wiretap.spies.com/00/Library/Techdoc/Lor e/unixhorr *** Free_ (coder@n4-102-194.thegrid.net) has joined channel #perl *** Amagosa (amagosa@dyn02-ts1.tetra.net) has joined channel #perl Okay gimme that gopher url again :) gopher://wiretap.spies.com/00/Library/Techdoc/Lore/unixhorr NT decided to bitchslap me, guess it thought I was having too much fu n reading about unix. Can't find the site I'm looking for, though. :) Had BOTH, The Ten Commandments of C Programming, "The Ballad of Mel , the Real Programmer", and that emacs recovery story. I have a copy of the Multician's Prayer somewhere it's getting brown around the edges heheh You know, the truth about C is, it takes alot more work than really should be required to write non buggy software. The chances of SIGSEGVing are way too high. Of course, you could say the language is good because you can only c onsider the coders who don't make those mistakes real C coders :) Free_ heh, yeah I love null pointers :) but it is possible to write high-quality code in C. Uggg. Updating poorly written, uncommented CGIs. Fun. just look at perl =) * \petey grins * Stupid repeats to himself, "Its for a good cause. Its for a good cause..." That is what I just was saying, good programmers can write very effe cient C code. Yeah, and even great programmers can write fast C code that sfcd's of ten :) sounds like a mantra, Stupid Until I get my Pentium II I am a helpless runt though! :o Pentiums suck, get an alpha like a real man That's such a broad statement. $record = ">" . $file . ".record"; Ignorant too. open(RECORD, $record); ARGH! My eyes are bleeding! That box with however many days of uptime, 108 i think, it is an alph a What kind of an idiot would do such a silly thing??? Other than the fact DEC Alpha processors don't pack much power per t he mghz, and other than the fact that I can't just plug in any sound card or et hernet card I buy, and yes, there are asm coders out there who code Pentium ASM . <\petey> they probably thought they had a good reason at the time.... alphas have better cost/performance than sgi's, etc. Nothing wrong with Alphas, just not what I need. Even old ass 1992 21064's are as powerful as high end intel shit Sun Solaris <--- My personal preference alpha linux. Intel isn't real powerful needless to say. * Amagosa edits the kernel a little and recompiles for the hell of it Have fun @data = ; for ($i = 0; $i < @data; $i++) * Stupid gurgles. Does anyone ever use read() :) Free: For reading CGI POSTs off of STDIN. Yeah I was just thinking about that actually. So Stupid, are you good with OO Perl? read(STDIN, $input, $ENV{'CONTENT_LENGTH'}); * \petey just lets CGI.pm take care of it petey: Well, yeah. Free: Good? Umm... more like, learning really fast and making up for two years of OO-fear. Danmit i hate this version of nt emacs Free: I also had a brief touch with C++. The scars are still heal ing. Borked ass copy/paste * Stupid chants, "BBEdit! BBEdit!" * \petey high fives Stupid Free: Y do you ask? * \petey wonders how many people really need a LISP IDE these days..... haha, that tim smith guy is a llama * Stupid looks over his shoulder for tchrist and the grammar police. I like emacs, it moves the cursor to wherever my codeblock began when I close one, indents for me, etc. That shit helps me a lot. But the bugs in the nt version of it suck. I just need x at home I actually write my own parsers. No reason for the module overhead. However little that may be. * orev chants "vi, vi, vi..." Free: Module overhead is something that's been haunting me. * \petey could have sworn he saw vi identing just the other day... ;) :set autoindent orev: What's the "make vi act like emacs" extension/module/whateve r-you-aliens-call-it? stupid: not a clue.. i like vi to act like vi.. although i have to ad mit that the emacs "define a function" or whatever, is pretty cool I would paste my form post thingamawatchit that I didn't actually wri te, just understand now, but emacs refuses to copy it to the clipboard for me. And i refuse to use any microsoft editors People make me use word enough as it is <\petey> didn't know Microsoft made an editor..... There are no good text editors for Windows (sans emacs). petey: edlin *** Wizard (wizard@pm1-046.usinternet.com) has joined channel #perl At least, I haven't been able to find one. Everything is just a Wo rd, Notpad or Emacs knock-off. notepad is nice to have lying around, for quick stuff and you dont ha ve to deal with the "no no no, you really wanted a microsoft format document" c rap Mornin'. hi <\petey> I think VIM is ported to Windows, Stupid *** Signoff: Free_ (coder@n1-102-13.thegrid.net) has left IRC [Ping timeout: 24 0 seconds] petey: I don't understand VI. I use whatever editor is handy yup.. I've been spoiled by BBEdit. vi is your friend. <\petey> but didn't Microsoft really make edlin, Teratogen? I thought they s tole it from the QDOS folks or IBM I use pico for quick perl edits loads super-fast, has the skeleton editing commands I need no muss, no fuss Pico? I put that editor down like a lame horse. *shrug* Teratogen: No support. I use whatever editor is handy hrmm. Tera: That's what really drove me insane. It can't be suspended. <\petey> joe is kinda nice yeh I just tried it. oh wellsers joe is good.. has copy and paste at least.. <\petey> it'll pretend to be emacs, or pico, or wordstart for you Without BBEdit or Emacs, I'm kinda lost. I really should choke dow n vi one of these days. let's not start a holy war over editors pico is descended from emacs <\petey> install one editor and make all the fanatics happy. * \petey grins heh <\petey> s/start/star/ I don't power up full-blown emacs these days Tera: Pico is decended from pine (or vice-versa?) <\petey> The Holy War has always been, Teratogen. no, pico is descended from a micro-emacs Heh, now that you guys helped me learn reg expressions, I know what t he fuck my friend jesse is saying when he does a line of s/whatever/replace/ af ter borking up :) if we all used 'ed' there wouldnt be a problem, but then nobody would get anything done either.. Amagosa: You must get into the regex mindset to properly program P erl. Yeah, it's neat as hell tho <\petey> mmmmmmmmm. ed. * \petey remembers using ed to code LPC for a mud back in college * Teratogen remember using wordstar to write Microsoft Pascal code on a Zenith Z-100 =) *** Signoff: Stupid (schwern@komodo.envirolink.org) has left IRC [To sleep, per chance to sleep some more.] # fortune fortune: write error on /dev/null --- please empty the bit bucket Quite a lot of stuff wouldn't work after the chap was done with the m achine for the day. You bet we put up proper accounts after that! Heh, that is definately my favorite one :) *** phobia (~phobia@phobia-x.netrox.net) has left channel #perl *** Free_ (coder@n2-102-93.thegrid.net) has joined channel #perl *** lej (lej@dialup170-syd.healey.com.au) has joined channel #perl *** Signoff: lej (lej@dialup170-syd.healey.com.au) has left IRC [Leaving] New LWP at http://bergen.sn.no/libwww-perl-5.12.tar.gz thanks gisle :) rock on *** Signoff: aas (18@huk.a.sn.no) has left IRC [Leaving] *** Signoff: Silmaril (silmaril@shell3.ba.best.com) has left IRC [Leaving] *** Signoff: DayTrip (jamess@java.coffeehaus.net) has left IRC [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] *** Silmaril (silmaril@shell3.ba.best.com) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+o Silmaril] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinto n.net *** ferdy (ferdy@195.75.10.5) has joined channel #perl oink u a pig? *** Signoff: Abigail (~abigail@gatekeeper.fnx.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] *** Abigail (~abigail@gatekeeper.fnx.com) has joined channel #perl *** Mode change [+o Abigail] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net *** Signoff: Abigail (~abigail@gatekeeper.fnx.com) has left IRC [Ping timeout] *** Signoff: \petey (michael@fwasc1-37.flash.net) has left IRC [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] *** NebuluS (neb@nic-ias01-l41.spidernet.net) has joined channel #perl if i do something like $foo = &something; will $foo contain what the sub returns? depends. on what? *** SayTen (~often@coke.cybertex.com) has joined channel #perl I don't remember donkey being abot *** SayTen (~often@coke.cybertex.com) has left channel #perl teratogen : on what does it depend? *** Amagosa (amagosa@206.246.163.34) has joined channel #perl Randolphe Luke Skywalker Torkington. You know, there's nothing wrong with that ---except for the middle part. Winston. No one should ever again be named Deion. Gnat, if you name the kid `Winston' people will assume he's Korean. Dillon. beeer: Or "Dijon", either. Dyan. Cyan. Cirion. Kirion. Dylan :-) Windsor. Kirlian? Neville! YES Mariner. * Winkola watches the tchrist morphing program with amazement. Bradley is the worst name in the world. Devon. orlando? Shire. shaquille L. Kuffy Matatodos de Toqueville Nothing wrong with Shaquille. Bob Loren Shaquille Jason-Dominus ? Cheeah Pett Lauren Calay. Eugene. Also taken over by Koreans. Chimay. Eugenia Halsey. now that I think about it, all the first Torkingtons in NZ were named after British kings. William, Arthur, Edward, Charles. "France" as a Christian name. Tjork. There you go. Just use a kingly name, like Aethelstan, and you'll be fine. You can call him `Stan' for short. Of course, William's nickname was "Firey Bill", because of his penchan t for arson. Mork Edwin Edwina Uther Shiva Torkington. Cnut. I like 'Aethelred', myself. Galhehad. :-) bad anagram waiting there Ah, good old Aethelred Unraed. mjd: I like Cnut. Knut THE SONS OF KNUT! Canaan Good name for a computer programmer. Or you can spell it `Canute' to avoid confusing people and stupid jokes. I could freak out Bela and name my kid after him. "Ok, Torkington, yo u've gone too far." Bela Fleck TOrkington? Bela Bellissima. I think I'll just change my last name to "Incorporated" My friend flecka. How about Bon Jovi Torkington? now there's a part of the 80s I didn't want to revisit. * Gardner is away - Working, lurking, or just plain crashed. - messages will b e saved. Def Leppard Torkington? Nathanson Torkington? Bon Jove T. Jeanne Bovine T. Flea Torkington. ("My dad just LOVED the red hot chili peppers") Typhon. Colophon Torkington Colorado T. Why don't people name their kid john anymore. Desiree Narciso Jaramillo Torkington. * njt snorks. I'll tell nj that. Mark-Jason Torkington. Radcliffe T. Jabez Torkington. Jaime T. R. Tomatilla Incorporated Jezabel Notorious B.I.G. Torkington. Um. Would it be a gaffe to ask another perl question? George Orwell Torkington. Puff Torkington. Tor Tork. Aldous T. Gardner only if you have an abnormal name Huxter T. Robert Bork Torkington. I like those old W. C. Fields-style pseudonyms. Bill Cosby Torkington. Octopus Torkington. *** Jeckyll (Jeckyll@port07.dial.brad.ac.uk) has joined channel #perl * TorgoX votes for R. Puff Hammersample-Incorporated. Flesheater Torkington. Fran Torkington! Raubert Allyn Erasmus T. if they're twins, I insist on naming them Hugin and Munin Rowdy Roddy Torkington. Ah, Roderick. mjd: we had a Roddy in the family. I once administered twin Sun3 servers that I wanted to name Huginn and Muninn. Amagosa: My full name is Mark Joseph David Christopher Gardner. N ot abnormal... just a hell of a lot of Christian names strung together. Wodewick. How about Peter Tork(ington)? Jasper. Gardner I condider having 5 names abnormal, you may speak now. Jasper's a great name. I named my sledgehammer that. *** Mr_White (c9415019@lily.newcastle.edu.au) has joined channel #perl mjd: yeah, but a Sun3 is neither representative of thought nor memory :) Jose Maria Torkington (male) At the time it was pretty good, there being no Sun4s. Maria Jose Torkington (female) Stellar T. Aster T. Squiddly Diddly Torkington. Jeremiah Halcyon T. Is there any way other than using Time::HiRes that I can get the c urrent time in fractions of a second? mathan(II) torkington, in the style of Cobalt(II) chloride Mugwump Torkington. SYS_gettimeofday so. jenine's sister is having another baby. they desperately want a c hild. their surname is Papa (father is Guatemalan). they're going to name the girl Sofia. Papa means "potato". translation: "couch potato" :) Quotemeta Torkington. s/^m/n/ Cannibalistic Ubizmo Torkington. Sandia. Sandia == watermelon. SYS_get Torkington what the hell are you ppl talking about? Emacs Torkington. ;) What's SYS_get? MR_W: we're talking shit. Cache Torkington Getprotobynumber Torkington njt: ahh.. Cash-Out Tjörk Segmentation Violation Torkington. EPROM Torkington. Paper or Plastic Torkington RAM Torkington. E2UGLY Torkington. Foreach Jones core torkington Torkington . * njt throws mjd out with the bathwater. Kyrie Torkington. Kyrie Rex Torkington. Kylie Minogue Torkington Ictus Torkington. Kiri Tekorkinton. Kyrie Minogue would be an awful pun. Ichthys T. Jesus Christ Torkington. Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Torkington. Amy Thist Menage Tork. mjd: that's what they call me here. "Jesus Christ Torkington! I was using that!" wtf is torkington!? Esmerelda Tork. alda Mr_W: me. #!/usr/bin/perl Torkington njt: Did you see that comic strip that Morrisa did about her Chinese s tudents choosing English names, and one wants to choose `Jesus Christ'? Sapphyre T. mjd: nope. URL? Mr_White: njt == Nathan Jasper Torkington. Marisa Partridge T. njt: URL Idon't think so. oh ok. * njt afks for pizza. Pizza Torkington Pizza! yeah!! Salami and Mushroom Torkington pepperoni tork. Land of the Pizza-eaters. Prosciutto Torkington I don't get it I'm afraid.. (did you want cheese with that?) Alabaster Torkington Tork Wrench ham and pineapple, the only way. Jehosephat Torkington Abalone Torkington Abalone Torkington DAMN! Heh. Soma Torkington. Abalone *is* a nice name. Rush Torkington Horton Torkington. Styx Torkington Black Sabbath Torkington Fleetwood Torkington Pink Torkington njt: I hope you're logging all this. Indigo Torkington Cerebrus Torkington "David Torkington." "Oh now you're just getting silly!" Thoth Torkington Torkington Torkington Xena Torkington. Kajagoogoo Toerk mjd: nope, I don't log irc. Xanthippe Torkington Thrakozog Torkington * tchrist has it njt:That's OK, I'll send you the log. QfZtpm Torkington Theratopsis Torkington Oearth Torkington I do, these logs will be hilarious in a few hours. Qwfwx Torkington. Oxymandias Torkington triceratops torkington Rupert Torkington Either that or we'll wonder how we could have been such idiots to spen d so much time on this. Ozymandias Torkington Ruble Torkington Beelzebub Torkington shit STOP IT Tyrannosaurus Torkington! Tyrannosaurus R. Torkington! Elvis Torkington Iateasaurus Torkington Elbereth Torkington Shana Torkington *** PerlJam (duff@conrad.cbi.tamucc.edu) has joined channel #Perl Sean Dhaffyd Torkington Shibboleth Torkington Nam-Shub Torkington Elspeth Torkington Gimli Torkington Nyarlothotep Torkington Elsinor Torkington Hastur Torkington Hester Torkington Lester Torkington moo torkington Gandalf Elessedil Torkington Lovecraft Torkington I first read about the Blum-Blum-Shub last month, and I still giggle w henever I think of it. Graciela Torkington Elrohir Galadrim Torkington *** Mode change [+o PerlJam] on channel #perl by Sloejack!asilva@hobbes.clinton .net polyethylamide torkington Heimdal, the guardian who guards the bridge Bifrost for the Norse gods . Jimmy Joe Bob Torkington Loki Torkington Hermes Torkington Seraph Torkington expand(LSD) Torkington Frodo Bilbo Torkington Dildo? Smaug Torkington Smug Smeg Scott Adams says he was originall planning to call Dogbert `Dildog', b ut they wouldn't let him. foo Torkington It's been a long time since I've read Bored of the Rings. Jelly Cock Torkington. There we have it. Perfectly placed for a care er as a blues musician or as a porno star. Boris Torkington crab: no can do. "Foo" was my cat. Faerenne Torkington bar crab: done. Redcrosse Torkington crab: ie, that's the name of another cat of mine. Faberge Torkington. Lager Torkington Uma Torkington Buckminster Torkington Quux Torkington. Quidquid Torkington njt: how many cats do you have? Quid Pro Torkington Perl Torkington But what does this have to do with perl? Jelly Torkington crab: three had silly names, one (foo) ran away. now I just have Bar and Baz. Berlin Torkington Beirut Torkington Jelly Donut Torkington Habanero Torkington I think my favourite is still "Notorious B.I.G. Torkington". njt: Did you stand on your doorstep calling "HEEEERE FOOO!" Mercutio Torkington *** Signoff: Jeckyll (Jeckyll@port07.dial.brad.ac.uk) has left IRC [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] Gnat, you gotta face it . *everything* sounds silly with `Torkington'. Yeah ama: yes I did, and I don't mind saying that I felt a right tit doing so. Taz Torkington Tease Torkington Toast Torkington mjd: yeah. I have the dorkiest name, and you have the coolest. Waugh . Testor Torkington Have I inadvertantly joined the wrong channel? Thomas Torkington Teste Torkington you people are easily amused tonight.. YOu can change your name to `Dominus' if you want to. Sybil Torkington Nathan Dominus is OK with me. Basil Torkington PerlJam I learned regular expressions last night and replaced them al l with mental patients. Manuel Torkington! Oregano Torkington Stick Torkington Oregano Torkington ZAP s/#perl/#teen Cardamom Torkington DAMN! tc: now we KNOW you're looking around the room for inspiration :) while :; do echo $RANDOM_NOUN Torkington; done real funny.. not.. Sushi Torkington Silicon Graphics Torkington Galium Arsenide Torkington Courgette Torkington I like John. pfish torkington SQL Torkington ama: that's my middle name. John Jean Juan Sean Torkington gotta name story for folks: One of Frank Zappa's kids is named Ahmet. When he was younger, he asked to have his name changed to Rick. "Why", he wa s asked. "Because people call me Ahmet Vomit, and I tired of it", he replied. TOKEN Torkington * PerlJam joins in the fray out of shear boredom Turk Torkington So they changed his. The only problem was that the kids starting call ing him Rick the Dick. Byzantine Torkington s/his\./his name to Rick./ Helga Torkington Lotus Torkington Tom Torkington Cicada Torkington Cicatrix Torkington Vulpes Torkington Dominatrix Torkington I think we've gone about as far with this as we should. PerlJam, you're just getting silly now. Condor Torkington Belatrix torkington Beatrix Torkington Firstname Goes Here Torkington Trix-are-for-kids Torkington NFN NMN Torkington Torkington Torkington. Trixie Torkington Arthur is a good name. Charlemagne Torkington Larry Tom Randal Torkington Zaphod Torkington notgnikroT Torkington Xavier Torkington Xoaquin Torkington *** port-139 (jwu@server3.homecom.com) has joined channel #perl Walkin Torkington Wrench Torkington Haveabeer Torkington curses! how does one get three digits before and 2 digits after th e decimal place, using (s)printf? e.g., printf("%03.3d", 1.23) is not doing t hat Linus Torkington Trudeau Torkington Joachim Torkington *** port-139 (jwu@server3.homecom.com) has left channel #perl er. %03.02d rather I bought a spice girls record Torkington Ford Torkington Francis Ford Torkington Chevy Torkington Lars Torkington torgo: 05.2f, I believe. Torgo: first number is the total # of digits. you want %5.2f Frances Forde Torkington printf Torkington maybe 06.2f. Blas Torkington %d won't work for this. Bleys Torkington Ludwig Van Torkington Corwyn Torkington Fabio Torkington Oberon Torkington Forking Torkington Dworkin Torkington Ed Peshko Torkington CLOSE William Jefferson Torkington Logrus Torkington nj-- ooOoo yeah When I name my kid, I'm going to use my new regexp powers to remove a ll these words from my list. Bob Torkington Jhereg Torkington Bill Torkington Vlad Torkington Wraeththu Torkington Dirk Torkington Beavis Torkington Vladamir is nice. Newt Torkington Nude Torkington heh, Newt. archon no that sounds too much like the little girl in Alien Ivan Torkington Factotum Torkington Dragaera Torkington Godel's Incompleteness Theorem TOrkington "She turned me into a Newt!" "A Newt?" "I got better." Zeb Torkington Damien Torkington (who is named Torkington btw?) Camel Torkington Gamera Torkington Llama Torkington Satan Torkington Lucifer Torkington Fucking Pigdog Torkington Godzilla Torkington TeX TorkingtoN Beelzebub Torkington Beelzebub Torkington Damien Torkington Wayne Garth Torkington Leonardo diTorkington Bill Ted Torkinton Jean-Luc Torkington Raton ooh, jean luck -k PerlJam: I am. Worf Torkington Wolf Torkington Golf Torkington njt: What's your full name? regrettably. Mork Torkington oh for god's sake, go back to arguing about elitism! Data Torkington All Rights Reserved Torkington perljam: nathan john torkington. Somone said `Mork' already. Austin Torkington Na-noo, Na-noo. B0rk Torkington Mindy Torkington The Artist Formerly Known As Torkington <^madhat> ....... Kolstad Torkington Bjork Torkington HRH HRH Torkington Gnu Torkington RMS Torkington Bjarne RMS Torkington ZAP *** Signoff: ChipDude (chip@rio.atlantic.net) has left IRC [Leaving] K&R Torkington Chip Torkington token-ring torkington E2TORKINGTON Myrddhyn Torkington ANSI Torkington Burrito Torkington whitman torkington GNU Torkington A already made the E2 joke. ENOTORKINGTON Taquito Torkington oh (= Bono Torkinton oh my *** silicon (silicon@total.disarray.com) has joined channel #perl Ralph Waldo Torkington Dorian Grey Torkington The Edge Torkington ISO/EIC 10021 Torkington i' Bonobo Torkington On Torkington Pond Spock Torkington Tpau Torkington Buckaroo Banzai Torkington Khan Torkington High Torkington Times *** mjd (nunya562@plover.com) has left channel #perl Lysergic Torkington i'm having some problems with "foreach".. the lines are: foreach $d (@DATA) { Analgesic Torkington Analgesic Torkington Foreach Torkington print "$d"; } any ideas? Foreach Torkington silicon Torkington hahaha ZAP while (torkington) No Quotes Around "$d" Torkington unless (torkington) repeat until Torkington; Use Newline Torkington *+ Torkington my torkington print @DATA Torkington Apostrophic Jihad Torkington redo Torkington; hehe /jfreidl/ Torkington strict torkington Torkington might be empty Japh Torkington Dionysus Torkington Oh no not those greek fellows bacchus torkington Rapheal Torkington Osiris Torkington Los Gatos Torkington Michaelangelo torkington DONE Leonardo de Torkington Anubis torkington Analbeets Torkington Mookie Torkington Sephardic Torkington Not POSIX Compliant Torkington jackal torkington Phardic Torkington Magic: The Torkington crocodile torkington Gavial Torkington Phallic torkington Gabriella Torkington Beta Torkington Torkington the Movie Fallow Torkington Microsoft Torkington Mother Teresa Torkington Torkington 98 Espison Torkington Find Torkington Omega Torkington Tonto Torkington Lone Ranger Torkington Torential Torkington Sequipedantalist Torkington Tulane Torkington Autological Torkington sigkill Torkington Turn Left At Torkington NFW Torkington FMH Torkington NFL Torkington Frederick Masters Horatio Torkington Dioxi Ribonucleic Torkington OMS torkington Discrete Finite Torkington #! Torkington Sporkington GNU Torkington DONE Integral Torkington Hemlock Torkington Doctor Torkington gnu has been done a few times (; __END__ Torkington Fractional Torkington Titillating Torkington Fractal Torkington Factorial Torkington Mandelbrot Torkington Mandelbrot Torkington * Tabi listen to the news that Mother Teresa died SCSI Sense Code Torkington Tethys Torkington argh! Scintillating Torkingto Iridescent Torkington Not Torkington *** mjd (nunya562@plover.com) has joined channel #perl Octopodes Torkington Recursive Torkington tabi: i announced that here several hours ago Erogenes Torkington Diaspora Torkington *** mjd (nunya562@plover.com) has left channel #perl Antipodes Torkington Some More Torkington \documentclass{ltxdoc} Torkington vaginal Torkington Luminescent Torkington Marginal "Marge" Torkington Vi Torkington Lux Aeterna Torkington Phospholuminiscent Torkington Condom Torkington Menthol Torkington Torkington with natural human flavor Methane Torkington Ganymede Torkington Methylated torkington *** ChipDude (chip@rio.atlantic.net) has joined channel #perl Io torkington Catamite "Kitty" Torkington * ChipDude drives up in his repaired Caravan September Torkington IO::Socket Torkington Torkelson Torkington Kara Torkington s/Torkington//; *** catch22 (~catch22@www-directory.Stanford.org) has joined channel #perl Mercury Torkington Tour de France Torkington Twist "Torque" Torkington Freddie Torkington Webbing the Torkington *** silicon (silicon@total.disarray.com) has left channel #perl Miguel Torkington Meme Torkington Sherlock Baskerville Torkington Ubertino Torkington Samuel "bike" torkington WTF? Napoleon Jebediah Torkington WTF Torkington Netscape Sucks Torkington Blue Pacific Torkington Net::IRC Torkington King Henry VIII Torkington JWZ Sucks Torkington La Femme Torkington Beowulf Torkington Torkington: A Quinn Martin Production Canterbury Torkington linux torkington Gimp Torkington Jesus Torkington Torkington II: Electric Boogaloo Juan Torkington A Tale of Two Torkingtons Waiting for the Glass Repairman Torkington Columbus Torkington Amadeus Torkington I can't believe you are still doing this.. Wolfgang torkington Four Weddings and a Torkington Theophilus Torkington it's called mental shitting (,)uake torkington 3 Men and aa Torkington Vini, Vidi, Vici, Torkington! Epistomological Torkington Mr_White it'll all be over in a while, and when the dust clears, I'll post the logs on my high traffic web site. Et tu, Torkington? Amarrissima Torkington Declensional torkington Pauper Torkington my god, is this crap still going on? :) Popper Torkington Higgledy Piggledy Torkington Isaac Torkington A Trivial Convention for using HTTP in URN Resolution Torkington He Is The Very Model of a Modern Major Torkington Protasis Torkington Bizet Torkington shift torkington Twin Torkginton Towers Is there any Torkington chance I could an efficiency related quest ion anwered in the midst of all this cranial crapping? Apoptosis Torkington zwitter torkington Torkington 3: This Time, It's Personal Yes CAtch22 Torkington Gnothic Torkington Ops, please? Cerebellum Torkington Gnostic Torkington Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) Part Five: Conformance C riteria and Examples Torkington The Eiffel Torkington *** Mode change [+o ChipDude] on channel #perl by tchrist!tchrist@perl.com *** Mode change [+o ChipDude] on channel #perl by PerlJam!duff@conrad.cbi.tamuc c.edu Sather Torkington File Torking Protocol Hypertext Torkington Protocol Gothic torkington Simple Mail Torkington Protocol *** Mode change [-o+b catch22 *!*catch22@*Stanford.org] on channel #perl by Chi pDude!chip@rio.atlantic.net *** ChipDude has kicked catch22 from channel #perl [get out of the bathroom] Lisa Torkington Ada Torkington Conditional Grant of Rights to Specific Hewlett-Packard Patents In Con junction With the Internet Engineering Task Force's Internet-Standard Network M anagement Framework Torkington Bug torkington Victorian Torkington Apotheosis Torkington Torkington Two: Judgement Day CHIP! hahhahha Ricercare Torkington § Torkington Speed Racer Torkington kjj writes too long Torkington Woo, I've gotten 15,000 hits in the last 2 days, lemme just redirect those to my logs :) Armageddon Torkington Bach Torkington heh Torkington, Torkington, Let Down Your Hair Torkington Tongue Twister Feanor Torkington Mellifluous Torkington Aviporous Torkington Torkington² Fergie Torkington *** Mode change [-b *!*catch22@*Stanford.org] on channel #perl by ChipDude!chip @rio.atlantic.net Everything But The Torkington Use the force Torkington Memento Mori Torkington Obiwan Torkington Vicera Torkington Like Water For Torkington Quid Pro Torkington Magellan Torkington Darth Torkington Visceral torkington DONE Six Degrees of Torkington *** catch22 (~catch22@www-directory.Stanford.org) has joined channel #perl Done Torkington "DONE Torkington"? That's rather dull tc: thread kill? (; The Learning Tower of TOrkington s/earn/ean/ chips SMTP was too phunneee But no one's mentioned Hitl*smbuf* Torkington by L Ron Hubbard archon, Chip: of course, tchrist has said "DONE" several times now .... ;-) thank you, Chip. Gerbil Torkington icmp Torkington yeah, i know Goebels Torkington so, how about that wacky context thing, huh? Hash Torkington Gerbils Torkington The Towers of Torkington Acid Torkington Opium Torkington blah blah blah Assyd Torkington M-x Torkington pidof torkington Yeah, I guess that @a || @b must always evaluate at least @a in scalar context rm *torkington* ${"Torkington"} perl -ple '$_ .= " Torkington"' /usr/share/dict/words *gnat = *Torkington so is it faster to say while() { if (m/foo/)...} or if (grep(/ foo/, ))...? undef %Torkington::; FAQ so far, there's been 406 lines with Torkington that I've seen 407 c22: See the faq tc: which FAQ? Frequently Asked Torkington hey, that's fat Which thing is faster Torkington FAQ torkington While is faster duh Torkington no, I mean, it's really fat eff aye tee never mind UNIVERSAL::isa(Torkington) Phat Torkington Phaedrus Torkington catch22: What difference does speed make? FAT32 torkington Equus Torkington Phineas Phogg Torkington GNAT is Not A Torkington Win32 Torkington Word Association Torkington Dante's Torkington Winifred Torkington njt: bwahahaha ActiveTorkington? Around the Torkington in Eighty Days orkington Turkey I'm trapped in hell. java.util.Torkington play (,)uake King Tor Tonning Tongue Gehenna Torkington Larks Tongue in Torkington Gnat Torkington's Bogus Journey Torkington Heads It's the Torkington ring of Dante's Inferno. njt: I'm-trapped-in-hell Torkington e=mc**2 Torkington eat them up, yum Frippertronics Torkington njt: You've actually just become the most famous person on #perl ;-) Flip Torkington Sir Lawrence Torkington comp.lang.perl.torkington Gilligan Torkington Ginger Torkington Galangal Torkington wow. a friend send a nastygram to steve jobs over what he's doing to apple, and got a reply today. equally as nasty. Beethoven's Ninth Torkington Galadriel Torkington Minnow Torkington Pomme de Terre Torkington Baracuda Torkington Torkington World Airlines "I've been fucking up computer companies since before you were born, so I know what I'm doing." njt: Don't say things like that unless you're prepared to share. 100-BaseT(orkington) moof: heh 300-Base Torkington perljam: I'm trying to get a copy of it as we speak. Torkington Tamales Con Molto Torkamente I've-got-a-cooled-name-than-all-of-you-guys Torkington ;-) Tamerlane Torkington Ghenghis Torkington Virtual Torkington RFC-1766 Torkington 100BaseT torkington Caesar Augustus Torkington Ethernet Torkington Jesus Christ Torkington Plate Torktonics Judas Macabeus Torkington Ion torkington Quark Torkington Caesium torkingtonite kjj ;) Clark Kent Torkington Gluon torkington Earl Grey Torkington Dax Torkington Grey Mouser Torkington Good Grief. We're still on this stuff? Goth Torkington and on this crap goes. Mr. T(orkington): "I pity the fool that subscribes to #perl!" Goliath Torkington Ilya Torkington heh Il y aura Torkington Good Grief Torkington Nitro-Burnin' Funny Torkington The Anti-Chip Torkington hehe Too-Much-Free-Time Torkington Geneva Torkington Tennesee Torkington Tuxedo Valdis Torkington Genevieve Torkington *** Signoff: Gardner (mjg@fireball.blast.net) has left IRC [I'm outta here!] Chevorlet Torkington Confutatis Torkington Madison Torkington *** Mr_White (c9415019@lily.newcastle.edu.au) has left channel #perl John Redford is the Anti-Chip: Thousands of bytes for complaints ; not one bit for patches. Iroquois Torkington hmm, the message isn't as interesting as I'd hoped. To Orkington or Not To Orkington Patch Torkington Chip: heh. the message sent to steve jobs was: I've had a chance to revise my previous opinion. As more and more > evidence unfolds, I think you're a fucking idiot. Either you're > incompetent or deceitful, and either way it's not a good thing for > Apple. > Tom Orkney Torkington > Please resign from Apple NOW. You're only killing the company I lov e. and the message back from steve jobs was: > If Apple does indeed prosper in the coming months, please go to a > mirror and shame yourself for writing such a bitter, non-constructiv e > email. > > Best, > Steve very californian. Pet Torkington Rocks he was right the from line was From: Steve Jobs [SMTP:sj@pixar.com] Cally Fornia Torkington Pixie Torkington tc: less acid, more oxygen. Hotel Torkington Formica Torkington Cafe Torkington Caffiene Torkington Kryptonic Torkington Kelvin, Lord Torkington njt: Steve Jobs doesn't need to kill Apple .. it was already dying . Torkington Espresso Ristretto Torkington It would take a miracle for Apple to become relevant again. Tjork Tjork Tjork Torkington Mueschi Torkington hehe Muesli Torkington Douglas Torkington Lassie Torkington Methusela Torkington Chip: Apple is still relevant, but only in a niche market. Beaver Torkington woof torkington Coyote Torkington Balrog Torkington Noah Torkington *** silicon (silicon@total.disarray.com) has joined channel #perl Orin Torkington Oral Torkington root torkington I mostly find it annoying that apple is (currently) in the best posit ion to push ppc-based systems, and hopefully displace interl-based crap. Bombur Torkington Anal Torkington Squiddly Diddly Torkington. Is there any way other than using Time::HiRes that I can get the current time in fractions of a second? Jeremiah Halcyon T. mathan(II) torkington, in the style of Cobalt(II) chloride Mugwump Torkington. so. jenine's sister is having another baby. they desperately want a child. their surname is Papa (father is Guatemalan). they're goin g Damn. Sorry. alison marie torkington Power Torkington how are things parsed in arrays (between each record) Torkington? More Power torkington Hundred Watt Torkington Torkington Inside. Microsoft Visual SourceSafe for Windows(tm) torkington Stilton Torkington Torkington Tintera Caerulean Torkington Days 21 In Torkington Microsoft Torkington 4.0(Plus bugfix 3) Mangled Torkington Bug Torkington Elmer Torkington in.torkingtond Learn torkington in 21 days? tchrist: bug is done #include Elroy torkington Bicho Torkington Bicha Torkington Torkington Tortes gettorkingtonbyname Bitch torkington *** JoeyLemur (epowell@204.184.61.42) has joined channel #perl Orc Torkington use strict 'Torkington'; Demogorgon Torkington Torkington O'Relly sysconf(_SC_TORKINGTON) Cassandra Torkington *** Ramshire (boogie@mws4.uncc.edu) has joined channel #Perl Vecna Torkington fuck Sir Torkington Smith Castrato Torkington /dev/torkington Fuck Torkington make Torkington Torkiongton Tequila Hieronymus Torkington Anonymous Torkington Eponymous Torkington Devinagiri "Dev" Torkington Torkamada? Erogenous Torkington Nostradamus Torkington Any Mouse Torkington Posthumous Torkington Postal Torkington universal serial bus Torkington *** Signoff: gobridge (gobridge@gobridge.vip.best.com) has left IRC [Connection reset by peer] Gary Ng Torkington The Composting of Torkington Stamp Torkington Centronic Torkington Could someone help me with something: how to remove all space c haracters from a string. Pecuniary Torkington Elvis Torkington RTFaq Torkington Lunch Torkington Joey: man perlop, see s/// Famished Torkington Femmished Torkington perlfaq4 or perlfaq6 Help children in rawanda Torkington Wanda Torkington Glinda the Good Torkington * JoeyLemur waits for his clunky 386 linux box to cough up the man page... Chunky Torkington *** port-139 (jwu@server3.homecom.com) has joined channel #perl I love mrx. Someone sends mail "there's an exhibit of calculators, qu estionable medical devices, and sewing machines at the Museum of American Herit age this weekend. anyone want to go?" and mrx replies "It's a nice exhibit; I recommend it. But if you like that sort of thing, there's a big show happenin g on Sunday where you can actually *buy* these devices. I plan to be there, cr edit card in hand." :) what is the best graphics modules for scientific purpose? Gepetto Torkington TI-Torkington Ham and Torkington Sandwich is DISLIN a decent one? Babylon Torkington or pgperl ? uses torkington.pas; Babel Torkington *** JoeyLemur (epowell@204.184.61.42) has left channel #perl Torkington Terminator <<======= maybe it's friday.. smells weirdness should be back some other da ys. I'm a bitch I'm a Torkington *** Signoff: port-139 (jwu@server3.homecom.com) has left IRC [Leaving] *** vvv (lamx0031@gold.tc.umn.edu) has joined channel #perl *** vvv (lamx0031@gold.tc.umn.edu) has left channel #perl *** Fake_Bert (walker@130.14.23.140) has joined channel #perl *** Signoff: crab (~crab@204.176.127.219) has left IRC [Ping timeout] *** crab (~crab@204.176.127.219) has joined channel #perl Ok, one more and I'm outta your hair <^madhat> ....... ANSI Standard Torkington! UL Listed Torkington! The Torkington Beyond Which There Is None More Torkington!